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 Post subject: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 17, 2014 7:20 pm 
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Waste disposal in the US, the biggest nuclear power user, seems at a dead end. The Yucca has been abandoned. Blue riband commission failed to give a solution.
It is time for science to prevail over politics. Molten salt waste burners should be commissioned now. The alternate is to outsource the disposal to Russia or China, if they agree to do it for a fee.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 17, 2014 7:24 pm 
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Or they could just take the cheap option and just leave the waste in storage for the next few decades before doing anything.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 17, 2014 7:27 pm 
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jagdish wrote:
Blue riband commission failed to give a solution.


That's not really true. The "Blue Ribbon Commission" ended up being a head-fake by Obama to distract the nuclear power community from the fact that he was buying political favors from Harry Reid. It was a classic Kobayashi Maru scenario. Typical Obama.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 17, 2014 11:12 pm 
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The Americans, very enterprising in making bombs and nuclear subs, went ahead to swords to plowshares scheme but got stuck at the next step. The British reprocessed used fuel and separated reactor grade plutonium and then lost nerve. I guess it is up to Russia, China and India to close the nuclear fuel cycle. China will sell it to the world, just like solar panels or windmills.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 18, 2014 5:41 am 
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Other URLs on the subject-

Department of Energy Zeroes Out Nuclear Waste Fee
USNIC On Zeroing Of Waste Fee: ‘Epic Failure of Leadership’ – DOE Has No Strategy, No Program
Regulators Applaud as U.S., Complying with Court Order, Suspends Nuclear-Waste Fees
Fee To Build Phantom Nuclear Waste Site Ends
Shimkus Hails End to 'Annual Theft of $750M' for Waste Fee
DOE Needs To Get Real: 'Restart Yucca' To Get 'Back On Track'
$43 Billion Later, DOE Zeros Out Waste Fee With Little Return on Investment

Some US states have put a stop to nuclear power till the waste problem is solved. Time to install a toilet in the nuclear condominium.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 18, 2014 10:43 am 
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Time to build that interim, medium-term repository in some friendly location. Once the 'spent' fuel has been moved to dry storage containers at reactor sites, it should be a simple matter (technically) to move the containers to one or more centralized facilities where the fission products can decay away while we decide whether to reprocess SNF or simply dump it down a mile-deep borehole.

It is remarkable that something that is really a minor technical issue has become such a huge policy problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 18, 2014 3:49 pm 
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I guarantee that if Obama, or his political buddies got to keep some of the waste fund personally. Yucca mountain would be open in a new York Minuit.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 18, 2014 3:52 pm 
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NickL wrote:
Time to build that interim, medium-term repository in some friendly location.


Private Fuel Storage is a licensed facility for storage of 40,000 metric tones of fuel for 40 years, on a Goshute Indian reservation, owned by a group of 8 utilities. Only the license and lease exist. Congress blocked rail access which makes the site unusable. The website http://www.privatefuelstorage.com/ is down. An archive is at https://web.archive.org/web/20130320141834/http://www.privatefuelstorage.com/ .

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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 19, 2014 9:50 am 
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pstudier wrote:
Congress blocked rail access which makes the site unusable.


Or was it the Utah state legislature?


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 19, 2014 2:52 pm 
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Kirk Sorensen wrote:
pstudier wrote:
Congress blocked rail access which makes the site unusable.


Or was it the Utah state legislature?


My recollection is that congress declared a national wilderness which covered the only reasonable rail route to the site, and the department of the interior refused to allow the land for a facility to unload the train and put the casks on a truck to go the last 30 miles by highway.

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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 20, 2014 1:46 pm 
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Lot's of people want to shriek about Harry Reid. He was never the issue. He was simply doing what his constituents wanted.

The rest of the country basically told Nevada, 'hey we detonated tons of nuclear warheads in your state, so you are already a radioactive wasteland, how about we dump all the radioactive $#%@$# from the power reactors on you ... you'll never notice anyway'.

Is it any surprise people in Nevada were opposed? It was an accident / coincidence that a Senator from the State became the Senate Leader. Otherwise Reid's (and Nevada's opposition) would have meant nothing.

The problem was the way the country went about selecting / selling a waste site. The Blue Ribbon Commission was trying to improve the politics of this.

A side note: the recent problem with WIPP (although trivial and blown hugely out of proportion as usual) did not help matters, as many people were proposing that that site be used as a national repository.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 20, 2014 7:36 pm 
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http://www.reformer.com/localnews/ci_25 ... lear-power
There are two undeniable facts about used nuclear fuel
1. It should be reduced by recycling and reuse.
2. Repository will always be required for some of fission products.
Recently former Australian PM Hawke suggested a repository in Australia for all comers.
http://www.news.com.au/national/bob-haw ... 6924500785
US owns many uninhabited islands.
A decision is urgently required.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 22, 2014 3:28 pm 
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jagdish wrote:
http://www.eenews.net/stories/1059999730
Waste disposal in the US, the biggest nuclear power user, seems at a dead end. The Yucca has been abandoned. Blue riband commission failed to give a solution.
It is time for science to prevail over politics. Molten salt waste burners should be commissioned now. The alternate is to outsource the disposal to Russia or China, if they agree to do it for a fee.


There is no nuclear waste yet. Current (pressurized water) reactors burn solid uranium fuel. Those radioactive fuel rods are removed after they've been in a reactor for about two years.

Is that waste? No. PW reactors can burn only 1% of the potential energy in that fuel. That same 1%-spent fuel can be almost completely burned up productively and safely in LFTR. And in doing so, the material volume is reduced by a factor of 20! More than that, the "ash" of LFTR has virtually no transuranics, which are the most worrisome components of what people call "nuclear waste". The short-lived fission products decay within 500 years to the background level of ore. And maybe we'll identify better uses for it other than burying it.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
PostPosted: May 23, 2014 12:27 am 
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As long as there are no means of recycling used fuel, it is a high level waste. The funds collected for this purpose should have been used for recycling but they were frittered away and the courts have put a stop to it. The DOE, who were/are custodian of the funds, should do it now, or outsource it to someone who is willing. South Korea, for example need not be be forbidden from reprocessing but could be asked to do it for the US too. The fission products could be stored away and uranium and transuranics recovered burnt in fast MSR.
Extensions to LWR's could be discontinued and fast MSR's licenced in their place.


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 Post subject: Re: Waste Disposal
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Or we could just spend the money buying enough dry casks to last until the end of the millenium.
Then recycle the fuel with glove boxes.


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